MILLENNIUM Virtual Season Four Episode review by 4Q2 Submitted 11-6-99 "Genesis" #401 Original "Air" date: 7/2/99 Writer: Dan Owen, Kevin Patterson, and Matt Asendorf In Brief: Frank and Jordan have escaped with their lives for now, but the intentions of the Millennium Group remain a mystery as Frank investigates the apparent murder of some Group Members, and his direct involvement with them. Overall Impression: I must admit to a bit of giddiness when I first heard about this whole VS idea, and having such bitter attitude toward Fox for cancelling my favorite show of all time. That being said, I was ready to embrace darn near anything that had the name "Millennium" on it. Now that it has been a few months, here's my impression of it after reading subsequent installments. I STILL LOVE IT! Gripping, and intricate story. A fitting conclusion to what was turning out to be quite the disappointing end to the actual TV show. Details: I'll hit the ground running here... This was brilliant stuff. Not only did the images presented in the first few pages capture expertly the entire MM "flavor," but one refreshing thing (that I did not quite expect to be honest here) was the tightness of the writing. The dialog all wove together neatly into very tense, very real conversation that one would expect to find in the show itself. I was expecting your basic run-of-the-mill fan fiction, but got much, much more than that here. It genuinely felt like a "lost" script of the show. I'm letting you know now that this episode is being slapped with a perfect score of "10," primarily because it is thus far the most entertaining episode of the VS, and secondarily becuase it rose above and beyond the standards set by the show itself in terms of the plot, the character presentation, and the way it conveyed atmosphere. I could HEAR Mark Snow's score playing in the background, right down to the "BOOM-BOOM" in between the acts. Was it perfect? No. But the score of 10 here is still deserved for the above stated reasons alone. The idea that Group members would be offed by the high-ups is hardly new, so the way the story is told is ultra-critical here. The means of execution would have to be... unfathomable and hard as hell to track back to them. The idea that they would use the SAME tactic to off each member seems rather reckless and sloppy. And while I realize the precedent was set by "Skull and Bones," there's no reason the Group couldn't have changed methods, especially if Frank was still very much alive to dog them. I also question why their "membership rings" weren't taken from them after being killed, not just as a way to erase their involvement, but I would think it to be a symbol of their final excommunication from Millennium. I'm just glad that Homer B. Petty wasn't a part of this. My score would have been slightly lower. Another detail I had trouble wrapping my brain around was the idea that Emma would be up for promotion to ASSISTANT DIRECTOR so darn quickly. Now I'm willing to beleive that MM has a hand in this, based in their interest in her. However, it just doesn't wash that someone as inexperienced (while intelligent) as her would conceivably move through the ranks so quickly. Her impending promotion to Agent-in-charge *might* be easier to swallow, but given the apparent tendency for Emma to give in to emotion, to become so envious of Frank and his abilities (demonstrated in "Saturn Dreaming of Mercury"), it seems that maybe even MM would want her to get a few more years under her belt, or at least learn to control her emotions. Hell, look what it took for Peter Watts and Lara Means to crack! And speaking of Emma, did anyone else feel she was a little to quick to accept Finley's explanation of Frank's suspicions about the Group. She was *livid* with Peter during Season Three, and it would stand to reason that she might not be all that willing to accept the word of a Group member quite so quickly. Okay, major coincidence alert before I get back to what brought this episode a perfect score. Ryan Frost: young, sharp as a tack, and a PI in Baltimore WHO JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE BEEN AN EX-CANDIDATE? It was hard to accept for about a millisecond, then it dawns on me that this was one thing the TV show never thought to explore: another failed member of the group (although unlike Frank, Ryan was fired). The story ideas that could spring from this little angle are abundant and it made me smile big seconds after reading Ryan's revelation to Frank. I like this guy. I like the way he is written, and I like the fact that he fills the shoes left by Emma. Frank does seem to a bit more interesting when he has someone to bounce ideas off of the way he did Peter Watts. Although Ryan is a character that agrees with me, one thing troubles me in that he has never been SEEN. He is a creation of the writers at the VS, and one of the things that makes it easier for me to read is I have *faces* and *voices* (Frank, Emma, McClaren) to go with the lines I am reading. However, never having seen Ryan Frost, I seem to picture him as sort of a William Baldwin-Noah Wyle type. What I want to know is this: Who did you folks at the VS picture to be the actor to "play" Ryan Frost. I'm interested to see what your pick was. Now, the things that made this episode a delight were, as mentioned before... - The writing was nice and coherent, plot was intriguing and believable for the most part, the atmosphere came across perfectly. It felt like a Friday night at home in front of the tube. - The choice for Emma's voice password to the Group Intranet was a HOOT! - The revelation that Frank was never really on the Group's hit list was attention-getting to be sure (insert raised eyebrows here). I do wonder how long Frank will just be "a fly in a hurricane" to them however. They MUST see the risk in him being alive. - Frank's speech to Peter at his grave site was *extremely* moving and fantastically written. Did The Opening Quote Seem Relevant To The Story? (Did 4Q2 get it?): Often times the opening quotes to all incarnations of "MM" seem sooooo deep, that the meaning flies right by me. I'm not the type to immerse myself in the classics of litertature nor do I study the Bible at great lengths. Now that the disclaimer is done. Reading the quote (as narrated by Frank here) was a chilling experience. I have to admit to having trouble seeing the relevance of the quote based on what was turning out to me a mass murder by the Group. However the scene later on where Frank and Ryan were investigating the recording left to Frank and consulting the Bible not only cleared things up, but gave me goose bumps as I read. Excellent touch with the narration as well. TV Episode(s) that it most reminded me of: "Owls," "Roosters," "The Hand of St. Sebastian," "Skull and Bones," "Bardo Thodol" Score: 10 (out of 10) Great job, gentlemen. Onward! - 4Q2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Genesis" review by Neil Anna PREAMBLE -------- Okay, I'm stepping out on a limb here, because this will be my first ever really detailed analysis on this, or any, board. Moreover, I am reviewing the work of fellow fans, and I am concious that my words might offend those who are doing such great work on the virtual season. However, I think it is good for the VS if criticisms are aired, as this will help the VS to continue, learning from the mistakes. After all, we are happy to criticise the writing for the actual show aren't we? But this is not to say that things aren't good. My initial reaction to "Genesis" was overwhelmingly positive, as was "Blood and Water." I hope I can give an objective review, even if I am a great fan of the show. I'm also acutely aware of the fact that reviews of "Genesis" have already been written. Due to the fact that I have only just recently returned to this site, I admit that I have not been able to read any of these. Consequently, certain points that I will make have probably been aired before. If so, just skip it. Further reviews will be forthcoming. If you haven't started reading the VS yet, I encourage you to do so. APPRECIATING THE ARCHITECTURE ----------------------------- The producers have done a great service to the series by continuing on a logical route. Just where would Frank and Jordan go as they drove off into the sunset? Second Rate Motel rooms and, finally, his brother's place seem the most logical thing that he would do. It was important the Frank re-establish his ties with his family, since the last three seasons have robbed him of that. The opening teaser seemed initially corny, but as I read it more slowly and began to imagine the scenes, things began to fall into place. Moreover, it was an entirely appropriate place to start. While the book of Genesis is an account of creation, it also points towards destruction, something picked up in the closing scenes, and which is tied in quite well with "Blood and Water" (#402). This ties in, again, with the whole idea of the impending Millennium. The idea of beginning is important too. At the opening episodes of each season, Frank is at a new beginning. In #101 he is recovering from a breakdown and returning to a normal life. In #201 he loses his family and has to begin again without Catherine, Jordan or the Yellow house. In #301 he begins with Catherine dead, and without the Millennium group. Now in #401 he begins without the FBI and no steady job. Frank has travelled a very dark road, and each successive season seems to be getting worse for him. If the virtual season ends with Frank or Jordan dying, it would be appropriate (though very sad). Loose threads have been cleaned up in "Genesis," or at least they appear to be. Peter Watts is dead (maybe...) and the folder that Frank got from Peter contains important information pertinant to this particular episode. The mystery of the episode is set up well. Who are these dead people? Why were they killed? How was the group involved? One of the strengths of both Millennium and The X-Files has to be the way the writers manage to obscure who the culprits really are, but give the viewers just enough information to work it out themselves. That is the great strength of this Virtual Episode too... I would probably define it as "classic Millennium" in its style. Thematically, there are a number of interesting parallel scenes. The Old Man in his shack during the teaser and the conclusion was one, as was the Frank & Emma talking to their dead friends in front of their gravestones does no one get cremated these days?) There is a definite parallel with the season 3 episode "Skull and Bones" (#306) where Emma is helping the digging up of Millennium Group Members. On of the great tensions in that episode was the confused Emma with the familiar yet strangely alien Peter Watts. The tension that existed between them was quite noticable. Now, here in "Genesis," we have a very similar parallel between an embittered Frank and a familiar yet strangely alien Emma. You can almost see the "we used to be friends and worked together but now things are different" feeling. But perhaps the greatest strength that this Virtual Episode has is that the characters are CONSISTENT. At almost every turn I was asking the question "What would Frank do?" (WWFD?) and I was not disappointed. the lines given to Emma and to Jordan are similarly consistent with their characters and, in Jordan's case, her age. Frank's brief discussion with Helen Black led them both into a very uncomfortable area, but instead of ending in confusion, Frank defuses the situation by accepting and expressing the "uncomfortableness" while at the same time reassuring Helen that she wasn't doing anything wrong or inappropriate. Similarly, Jordan's lines were golden. "I liked our yellow house" was an entirely "Jordan" thing to say in the circumstance, as was Frank's response. Having not seen the last 5 eps of season 3, I am not alone in expressing my frustration in Emma's lack of development during the final season. Yet, here in "Genesis," everything she said and did seemed consistent - her smirking, her failure to express herself fully to Finley - she actually seemed more "real" than in the third season. STRUCTURAL FLAWS ---------------- I hate to say it, but "Skull and Bones" was far more in view here than it should have been. While "Genesis" was not a rip off, it was certainly "too close to the bone" (pun intended) of that particular season 3 episode. Both "Genesis" and "Skull and Bones" centered around the discovery of the bodies of Millennium group members. As the spisodes progress, it becomes obvious that the Millennium Group is responsible for their deaths, but no one knows why exactly. A detailed investigation ensues, but leads nowhere, with the Group one step ahead. It is this which is perhaps the episode's greatest weakness. Why doesn't Emma suddenly go "Hey, this reminds of that dig I was at last year with Peter Watts. Here we are again! Spooky?" In S&B she becomes increasingly hostile and suspicious of the MG, but now she just shrugs off Frank's suggestion that it was the group's fault (did anything happen in the last 5 eps of season 3 that I missed that would explain this?) Both the link to S&B and Emma's reaction to the new, but very similar cicumstance, make the episode a bit too "Fan fic" for my liking, which is of concern since Matt and Dan want something a bit more professional and detailed. There were, as well, a number of particular scenes which I had problems with. First, Emma sitting in front of Barry Baldwin's grave was an interesting idea, butwhat she revealed in her converstaion with her dead friend was too detailed - no one would do that to friends, living or dead, because friends KNOW what you are talking about. Emma's dialogue at that point seems more instered for dramatic purposes, but fails to be consistent with the sort of thing she would be saying. "When the results came back and the scores were tied..." hey EMMA! He knows what you're talking about okay? You don't have to remind him! Second. Frank moving up behind Jordan and grabbing her... coming after the scene of the hand in the mud, this may seem an interesting idea. But is it really necessary? I can't think of any reason WHY it didn't seem good to me. Third. Finley dismissing Frank's problems to Emma. I'm no psychologist, but is this description ("After his wife died he had a nervous breakdown which, together with survivor's guilt from his wife's death, made him paranoid") actually medically and psychologically correct? I'm aware that even the official writers make mistakes infacts, but I'm just a bit wary that factual errors can hurt integrity. Hey if it's correct then great! Fourth. "There are eight (Frank Blacks) in the area, Two sound promising. One worked for 18 years for the postal service..." Okay, can we forget the jokes about postal workers killing people? Fifth. The coroner with Ryan and Hart. Why is the coroner asking Ryan so many questions? It actually seems unprofessional and NOT the sort of thing a coroner would be asking someone on police business. In fact, the only reason why he is asking these questions is so we can get a picture of who Ryan is. While it is important to do that, perhaps it would be better placed as he talks with Frank Black. Moreover, the coroner's defence of Frank Black, while consistent, would have seemed so much more convincing and surprising if her didn't ask Ryan about himself earlier. Sixth. "You read his file, too, detective. He (Frank) is, uh, psychic." While it may be appropriate for outsiders to describe Frank's gift/curse in that manner, I always thought that Frank's ability was kept under wraps... secret if you will. I didn't realise that his ability was officially described. Seventh. When Martha comes out with the tape, no one ask her who the man looks like. Frank's house has been vandalized and Martha says "there was some guy snooping around..." hey is this guy a suspect or what? It doesn't HAVE to be the dead group member does it? Why don't Frank and Ryan follow it up and ask Martha for a description of the man? Surely HE could be responsible for the house's condition? Eighth. Okay, I'm moving into a more subjective criticism, but I just didn't think a "Sound of Snow" tape should turn up. Ninth. (Last one) I think Frank's dialogue with Peter at Peter's grave was a bit too detailed as well, not to mention over dramatized. Sheeps and Shepherds notwithstanding, I always thought of Frank as a man of few words. GOLDEN MOMENTS -------------- * The reintoroduction of the OLD MAN. * Emma's password (A line from "Psycho") * Jordan and Frank staring out the window, dreaming of better times. * McLaren telling Emma of her promotion... even he can get "persuaded" by others (was the unseen figure smoking Morleys?) * "Kind of craggy faced, seemed a bit of a loner" * Blaylock taking Peter Watt's folder from Frank's car after Frank was taken away by the police: it was fairly predictable but entertaining nevertheless. * Frank: "Theories can be *made* to fit puzzles"... check MATE! * Jordan chasing fireflies while Frank watches. * The initial Frank-Emma confrontation... ouch! * The Elder speaking of Peter Watts, possibly as though he may still be alive. * Implicit pointers to the flood (which may come in #402) NITPICKING ---------- * Just WHERE was the forests where the bodies were buried?... no LEGEND to tell us where it was! * How the hell are you going to train flies to act on cue? (okay, you can use spfx, but they DO look more fake!) * "You don't have anything to hide do you? - Weak line. FAVOURITE LINE -------------- Ryan: "You're free to go, thanks to a statement from a Mrs Thurman at the Shady Grove. Add her to your Christmas Card list." GRADING ------- 7.0 out of 10 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= GENESIS, written by Dan Owen, Kevin Patterson, and Matt Asendorf ****1/2 (out of 5) First of all, a word of explanation. For those of you who haven't gotten the word, Virtual Season 4 is a project created and written by Millennium fans, many of whom you may recognize as denizens of this newsgroup. It is not a mere collection of fan-fic. It is an organized series of well-written and professionally formatted television scripts, developed by a staff of writers under the direction of two executive producers. Notice how I didn't put quotes around executive producers? It's because these people aren't fooling. These are real scripts, folks. Even if they never touch the varnish on a FOX network executive's desk, they are real scripts, nonetheless. They have stage directions. They have commercial breaks (though no actual commercials). They have air dates. Hell, they even have print ads. So, what are they writing about, then? Is it any good? The season premier, which "aired" on July 2 (making this review a little dated, but I only found out about VS4 a couple days ago), begins six weeks after the events of "Goodbye to All of That." However, in a refreshing change of pace for this series, it does *not* attempt to reinvent the entire show. The events of the episode derive in a logical way from those of the previous season's finale; characters and events from season 3 are referred to and acknowledged, as are some from season 1 and even (gasp!) season 2. Frank is more or less on his own, now, although he has teamed up with yet another new partner: one Ryan Frost. Frost is a private detective who was at one time recruited by the Millennium Group, but who was subsequently and inexplicably fired only a few months later, which gives him an interesting perspective on the whole issue. The writing is great. It's particularly great for a bunch of amateurs (at least, I assume they're all amateurs), but it's also just plain great, on par with anything network TV has to offer and even on par with much of what has recently come from our head-swollen friends at 1013. It captures the mood and spirit of Millennium with a deftness rarely seen since the days of Morgan and Wong. The dialog is convincing and in character; you won't have any trouble imagining Lance Henrickson's voice speaking the words you're reading. (Some of the dialog, in fact, is almost uncharacteristically good: Andy McLaren, for example, gives his best performance to date.) Frost's character could use a bit of fleshing out - at this point he's still pretty much in a sidekick role, providing support for Frank in his investigations. However, unlike some other ill-matched partners we could mention, Frost's support is actually SUPPORTIVE. He's intelligent, makes his own theories (some of which even prove to be correct), listens to what Frank says, and provides feedback on Frank's ideas. He's someone Frank can actually relate to. He is competent enough to have been recruited by the Group, but was booted before he could learn anything about them, and now he's eager to know more. All of this combines to make him an interesting and sympathetic character, one that I'm actually eager to learn more about. Chip Johanssen, start taking notes. The plot takes as its springboard the idea that the Millennium Group has somehow become corrupted from within, although whether this is the result of an infiltrator or an internal schism has not yet been revealed. This concept has often been batted around the newsgroup, and appeared on more than one occasion to be something that the season 3 producers were strongly, if incompetently, attempting to imply. "Genesis" takes the tangled threads of season three and does a good job of weaving them into a believable scenario. Further evidence of the considerable amount of thought that must have gone into this script, the mytharc for the fourth season is laid out in subtle, eye-opening explanations of what happened before balanced with tantalizing, well-paced hints of things to come, all done with a skill and care that, for once, gives us confidence that this will all be followed through on by season's end. Of course, the question inevitably arises: is the fact that VS4 builds on the developments (if they can even be called such) of S3 really all that great a thing? Now, this reviewer has never made a secret of his feelings regarding season 3. The words "overtly hostile" would be one tactful way of putting it. However, I contend that one of the most frustrating things about season 3 is that it *could* have been good. It would have been possible to tell a good story about the Group corrupted from within, about Peter's estrangement and Frank's growing instability. It would have been possible to tell a good story about looking to the human brain for answers to the coming apocalypse. It would even have been possible to tell a good story about Emma Hollis's crazy old man. The producers of season 3 did not, unfortunately, tell that story, and nothing in VS4, no matter how well-written, is going to make those nine long, dark months look any better. But the constituent bricks are all still there, lost in the jumble, and VS4 can pick those bricks out of the mess and say: "Look, this is how it should have been done." Their goal, as they have stated several times on the VS4 message forum, is not to write "dream-team" episodes that satisfy every fan's every whim. Their goal is to take what was done, accept it, and find a way to bring it all to a satisfying conclusion. So far they're off to a very good start. However, there is one important difference between the writers of VS4 and the writers at 1013: the VS4 guys aren't getting paid. If they're to bring this project to a conclusion, then it's important to provide them with the moral support they need to keep from running out of steam. Oh, one last thing: I am thoroughly uninterested in discussing whether or not VS4 adequately addresses Frank's guilt over murdering the Polaroid Stalker. Nor do I have any intention of debating whether VS4 is compliant with the established tenets of any classical theory of moral fiction. It boils down to this: 1) I really, really wanted there to be a 4th season. 2) I *didn't* want a 4th season that conveniently forgot or denied everything that happened before it. 3) What I wanted was a 4th season that managed, as much as possible, to take what had been done and make something good out of it. ...all this plus 4) I damn well wanted to see some good writing, for a change. VS4 fits the bill. If you wanted the same things I wanted, you'll probably think so too. -M. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Thoughts on the VS4 Part One" review by Jon This is a little set of mini-reviews on the 'Virtual Season' so far. It's hard to review episodes that will never be filmed, as the authors' visualisation of their script may not match the interpretation of the reader. Nevertheless, most of the 7 episodes so far have been a worthwhile read, and there are 1 or 2 classics lurking in there... I have to admit a little prejudice against the premise of the virtual season 4 at the outset. While it's interesting to see what the various authors think "might have happened next," a virtual season 4 must necessarily build on the foundations left by season 3. The confusing and frustrating events of that season (the changing Group, the red bowls, the palm trees etc.) cannot be completely ignored, but trying to explain all of the rubbish from the last half of the third season will almost inevitably doom the virtual season 4 to failure. So far, the authors have avoided having to explain the contradictions of season 3, but they have to face up to it eventually. How they choose to do this will probably make or break the Virtual Season. In terms of overall plot development since the end of season 3, there have been no earth-shattering changes: Emma is still with the Group and the FBI, Peter Watts is still dead, and Frank is back to doing consulting work for local PDs, etc. This is a 'safe' way to start a virtual season, and contrasts with the seismic events that have kicked off the rival 'Alternative Season 3' (which has chosen instead to re-write the third season from the ground up). The topics covered so far have included Millennium Group murders, rival conspiracies, religious maniacs, archaeology and 2 episodes dealing with water and flooding. n fact, water seems to be a common thread running through several of the episodes. There is also a theme concerning insects and buzzing noises, which seems to prefigure corruption and evil within the Group. And so to the episodes : (these reviews may contain SPOILERS - you have been warned) VS01. Genesis An excellent start to the season. Frank finds a new home and a new partner, and is drawn into an investigation of several Group-inspired murders. Well-written with convincing characterisation and nice references to previous episodes. This episode also deals very effectively with the conclusion of season 3 (if none of the other bits). A classic. VS02. Blood and Water This episode concerns a series of religious murders, a meteor, a coming flood and a group of stigmatics known as The Fellowship. Apocalyptic events seem to be beckoning, only to fizzle out at the end. A good episode, a fairly typical 'Frank investigates odd occurrences' sort of story, but it's obvious from the start that the world is not about to end, and this lessens the impact of the episode. VS03. Gestalt A political assassination reveals the presence of a new evil conspiracy called The Board or The Foundation. Don't we have too many proper noun conspiracies already? Oh well. Anyway, this is a competent episode. It's a little frustrating that Frank's investigation gets nowhere, and that things have to be explained by the deus-ex-machina appearance of Ed the Writer with a lot of backstory. VS04. Sala' Del La Morto (Salt of the Dead) Another series of rather odd religious murders reveals the history of another shadowy group who are linked to the Spanish Inquisition. Again, the viewer gets to appreciate the backstory while Frank remains in the dark. A fair episode, in which the apocalypse is forestalled by the discovery of a 'faithful one'. Irritating detail: if the victims are turned to salt, what happens to their clothes? VS05. Shophetim Frank and Jordan have a car crash, and mysterious forces close in on Jordan while Frank lies in a coma. I had trouble getting to the end with this one. Too much prose, too much stagy dialogue, too much technical jargon (does the author work in a hospital, perchance?), too many 'mysterious' characters and poor spelling and punctuation (count those apostrophes!). This script would have benefited from some judicious editing and the use of a spell-checker. There are some good ideas buried in this script, but I can't recommend it. VS06. Hostile Elements A religious maniac is sabotaging flood defences to bring on the apocalypse at the behest of the Group. A great episode, with good set-pieces and an intriguing conclusion. Highly recommended. One slight irritation: whose fingerprints did the Group plant at the scene? VS07. The First Prophet Frank is drawn to France to intervene between warring factions over the discovery of an ancient cave. This episode is BRILLIANT. I don't want to say too much in case I spoil the surprise, but READ THIS. The nice thing is that it has almost nothing to do with the fourth season at all, and could have worked very well as a Season 2 or 3 episode. Just how long is that tunnel? How many drawings are left? Better than every third season episode, and good enough to stand with the big boys of season 2. Absolutely inspired. So, all in all, an encouraging start to the Virtual Fourth Season. One slight problem so far is that there is little overall plot development between episodes, except for Emma's deepening involvement in the Group. There are recurring themes of water, insects and the Elder's machinations. At least 3 of the episodes deal with apocalyptic events which are forestalled or prevented in some way. It seems a shame that so many potential apocalypses are crowding together for our attention so early in the season, and somewhat detracts from the power of future potential apocalyptic moments. Some of the episodes seem to be almost 'standalone' stories, which work well but fail to impart a direction to the overall plot. But it's early days yet, and I'm looking forward to the next series of episodes to see "what happens next." Hopefully the next set of scripts will take the overall plot forwards in some direction, instead of providing another set of episodes which are entertaining in themselves but change nothing. At some point, the chickens have to come home to roost, though. I am intrigued as to whether the authors *will* try to explain any of the rubbish from Season 3, or whether they will just whitewash over it by saying "well, the Group did some bizarre and bad things back then, but we're all better now." We shall see...